Demote inactive veterans?

[Alptunga]

I'm thinking about demoting the inactive veterans...


Thoughts on how long would be considered 'inactive' or thoughts on it in general? Current veterans will have their opinion considered more valuable.

Inactivity is not a valid reason for demoting someone unless he/she is a mod. Because that rank requires a trustworthy people actively playing and Moderating.

On the other hand veterans are veterans because they "theorically" proved they are trustworthy people both in real life and in game.

About a related issue, the voting session is nothing like back in my time. Mods spamming [INFO] (Which should be used as an offical announcement channel of the server) to bait new comers in to voting their favorite players, using alternative accounts to vote for is both inconsidered and injustice. Mods are the staff of this server, and their impartiality would make the voting fair.


As a conclusion, the real issue here is the voting session. That is why people in general are mad. There should be more strict rules on "How and Who" can vote. As an example, If only veterans could vote for veterans, would make sense. As in Only Mods+ can discuss who should join them next.

[snowbrdd]

As far as I can determine, the entire voting system is inherently flawed. The final stage is publicly biased with mods spamming info. (You know who you are.) The previous stages are going to be flawed as well, as it is more or less the same thing with the nominating. People nominating their buddies and so forth.

As kenny was saying, a entire rework of the system might be necessary, however a community based veteran isn't the way to solve it. Lets face it, the server isn't setup to be very good at community events like pvp tournaments. With it being vanilla, there aren't many plugins and such to make this happen.

The next issue we have is the citizen rank. A rank that is relatively meaningless. On a scale it goes from Default -> RSD -> CTZ -> Donor -> vet and so forth.
The citizen rank is a manually promoted rank that is obtained after 52 weeks of activity. Not all in a row mind you, it can be done over two years. However many many citizens don't do much so this rank can't have people expected to do it due to being granted by time.

I personally don't have a solution for this, but these are just some problems to think about.

[angomango21]

Rsd>CTZN>Donor>Vtn hmmmm it's not always like that...

Some players skip donor but what not don't listen to me

[maxmmm1501]

Most players skip ctzn too...
that is the order of importance/level, not the order you have to get them in.

[FPSrusher]

I think Vtns should be picked from people who have really contributed and continue to contribute to the community stiff like:

Vtn Requirements

Contribution factors like:
-How active they are
-How much do they vote (make like 40+votes a month a written requirement?)
-How helpful they are to other players
-(maybe) Have they ever donated?
-(maybe) Have they made something that helps out the community
Honesty factors
-Do they get banned?
-Are they causing fights?
-Have they scammed people?
-Do they go too far when they troll people? (this one hurts me )
Old Timer factors
-1 year+
-500 hours+
-Knowledge on server History Commands and Rules so they can explain 'Why' if someone asks them about something.

Most of those are written requirements already.

Lastly as this thread is a thing about de-moating inactive Vtns yes, if they are not active they are not helping the server anymore or contributing anymore, not only that but a large percent of the playerbase does not know them and therefor does not trust them.
Like I said before, if the person wen't through the vtn votes again and could not get it then maybe they should not be a vtn.

Here's the thing though, those players worked hard to get the rank, they were trusted in the past, and should not be dropped back down to Rsd or Ctzn thats just asking for rage when they start playing again, so, how about a new rank;
Retired:
-A rank for ex-mods or ex-vtns who don't play anymore.
-If a retired person comes back to stay on the server and is poping a good amount of hours per month, they should be
put back in the vtn votes for the next vtns because of their past good actions and support to the server
-Can do the same command stuff as a vtn they just don't have the shiny dark green title.
This means there should be no rage from players who come back and see that they were de-moated, I know if I quit for a bit and then came back I would understand why I was put in.

[emeraldcreeper10]

I see a ton of Vtns who get it and literally the next day, they're gone forever. Vtn is a rank for honest, kind, good players who have been constantly contributing to the server. I second Icefang and FPS, inactive Vtns who don't come on and help players anymore shouldn't get it. Maybe 6-11 months away from the server is a good amount to demote a Vtn. Maybe the requirements should change. I thought of some ideas:

-RSD+
-Good players that help, are honest, kind, exc.
-People who constantly contribute to the server
-Voting as much as possible if not daily
-Possibly donated in the past
-Ban limit- Never banned before or accidentally kicked/banned

[WhosPro]

I see a ton of Vtns who get it and literally the next day, they're gone forever. Vtn is a rank for honest, kind, good players who have been constantly contributing to the server. I second Icefang and FPS, inactive Vtns who don't come on and help players anymore shouldn't get it. Maybe 6-11 months away from the server is a good amount to demote a Vtn. Maybe the requirements should change. I thought of some ideas:

-RSD+
-Good players that help, are honest, kind, exc.
-People who constantly contribute to the server
-Voting as much as possible if not daily
-Possibly donated in the past
-Ban limit- Never banned before or accidentally kicked/banned

The ban limit should be more since everybody brings out their inner troll every once in a while.. >.< I do agree with most of these, but they are almost all of the current veteran requirements already.

Here's the thing though, those players worked hard to get the rank, they were trusted in the past, and should not be dropped back down to Rsd or Ctzn thats just asking for rage when they start playing again, so, how about a new rank;
Retired:
-A rank for ex-mods or ex-vtns who don't play anymore.
-If a retired person comes back to stay on the server and is poping a good amount of hours per month, they should be
put back in the vtn votes for the next vtns because of their past good actions and support to the server
-Can do the same command stuff as a vtn they just don't have the shiny dark green title.
This means there should be no rage from players who come back and see that they were demoted, I know if I quit for a bit and then came back I would understand why I was put in.

And as for this.. I mostly agree. A "retired" rank would be perfect for vtns who seem to have lost interest in the server. That way, a person who doesn't know the rules and/or has a question about the server, rank system, or maybe even what mods they can use, they would know if the ex-vtn with the "retired" rank knows the answer (since there would obviously be more features in the 6-12 months that have been suggested until a vtn gets demoted.)

However.. there could be 2 flaws to this rank as well:

1. A few vtns would shoot for this "Hard to achieve rank." They could find pride in being one of the few people to have this newly made rank. This could possibly make them feel "special", which would lead to boasting and bragging. Obviously, this would cause more people to try to get this rank. Initially, this would cause a few active people in the community to leave the server for almost a year to try to get this rank. When they come back, they would find that the server has changed a LOT (Like i mentioned up there), and they probably wouldn't have a clue what the hay is going on. Because of this, they'd realize they're mistake and most likely end up quitting the server. (Just a prediction :3)
   
   
2. Many vtns coming back to the server might not like that they got this rank. Although it has the same powers and commands as a normal vtn, they could be looked down upon by many other people as "People who quit the server after reaching a higher rank". Which.. is basically what they are.. however, they shouldn't get downgraded due to this.

These are just a few of my thoughts

[FPSrusher]

Default: Keep this the same. Basic commands... Can build, has green text in first few hours.

Resident (RSD): Mostly keep as same. 30 hours base and forum account. For every ban, a certain more number of hours is required... IE. 2 day ban = only another 10 hours, Week ban = Another 30 hours. This remains as an automated system

Resident+ (RSD+): A new rank... Similar to the current CTZ rank... Requires activity and hours (however many hours they needed for RSD + 150), with similar sanctions as getting RSD (Ban = more hours depending on length of ban). This would be also an automated system, however you can also lose this rank if deemed t have done a serious offence. This rank acknowledges you as a long time players, and hence the server would put some trust in you. Most current CTZ's would expect to be moved to this rank, along with most of the current VTN's.

Citizens (CTZ): Similar to the current VTN rank. Other CTZ's, VTN's and staff pick who will be put into the vote, and RSD+ pick people who will get the votes... You can expect this to be heavily moderated, and any accusations of bribery should be taken seriously. Vote for this will occur every month, similar to the old system. A CTZ would be expected to give advice to people, and be a role model for the server, and generally be active. A CTZ who is inactive for long periods of time without reasonable notice would expect to be demoted to RSD+.

Veteran (VTN): This rank would be reserved for only the best. They are decided by staff and other VTNs who would get this rank, and there would be a limit to how many VTNs there can be, excluding ex-mods... Those people deserve it. VTN rank should be discussed every 2 months, and people can easily be demoted as promoted. Such roles a VTN would be able to do is set up events for the server, and be very community focused, doing things that people such as mods do not have time to do. For example, a VTN would be able to run PvP tournaments, build contests and other server wide events, along with assisting CTZ's in helping, and staff in decisions. Ex-mods however can follow their own rules, and as long as they don't TNT the server, will reatain this rank

Cmod+: Do whatever you crazy guys do.. Thats not my area to talk about.

I like this, but:
the current ban system is your first ban will be around 30 mins and then each ban is x2 of the last for the same offence (30 min 1h 2h 4h ect) and tbh it's not easy to get banned unless you skipped the rules but then it's just your own fault so have it that your first ban = wait another 10 hours for your rank and it stacks after that so again first ban is extra 10h second ban is an extra 20h third ban is a extra 40h
As much as I think if you get banned alot you should never have a rank saying you're trustworthy zerg seems to like being kind to players and not hold what they did in the past against them for too long so as it becomes a longer time since you got banned the system will 'forget' about your older bans and reduce your hours needed for a rank if you start being good. Then also if you get a rank and you start being a badnick you have a chance of loseing your rank if you don't have the hours to support it.

Moving on
Maybe to avoid confusion with what the ranks mean and what they can do remove the Ctzn rank name and have it stay Vtn and have the other one sounding more eventish? like ringmaster

Spoiler:

RINGMASTER LOL NO

okey okey maybe something like Organiser? or Coordinator?

lastly it would be good to have some requirements written down for each rank and commands like:

Default:
-Same

RSD:
-Min 30 hours, forum account, same commands.

RSD+:
-150+ hours (bans add more like said ^^)
-2 months on the server
-No extra commands

VTN:

Vtn Requirements

Contribution factors like:
-How active they are
-How much do they vote (make like 40+votes a month a written requirement?)
-How helpful they are to other players
-(maybe) Have they ever donated?
-(maybe) Have they made something that helps out the community
Honesty factors
-Do they get banned?
-Are they causing fights?
-Have they scammed people?
-Do they go too far when they troll people? (this one hurts me )
Old Timer factors
-1 year+
-500 hours+
-Knowledge on server History Commands and Rules so they can explain 'Why' if someone asks them about something.

-Maybe make the hours less if you're gonna add a new rank, so 300+ hours over 6 months?
-Same commands as current vtns

Coordinator:
(not sure)
-1 year+
-600+ hours
-Must be very trusted will probably be picked from the vtns
-All vtn commands
-Has building permissions to the spleef CTF and pvp arenas at spawn ect
-When they /hostevent it only needs like 5 people to type /go
-Has the ability to send players to spawn (if they are messing up the events
-Maybe can /s people but as with new players the person has to type /tp after they have been summoned, not like with the mods where you have no choice.

Retired:
-Ex Mods, Vtns, and Coordinators.
-Had a Very high chance of getting their old rank back if they want it, in the case of Vtns they can basically go in the vtn votes if they start playing again.
-Still has the same commands as their old rank (or) has the same commands as Vtn

>inb4 "why not just call RSD+, CTZN?"
-Because it would be basically the same as RSD just means you have been playing for longer and don't get banned much, you don't get any extra commands or anything just more respect/trust I guess.

[FPSrusher]

However.. there could be 2 flaws to this rank as well:

1. A few vtns would shoot for this "Hard to achieve rank." They could find pride in being one of the few people to have this newly made rank. This could possibly make them feel "special", which would lead to boasting and bragging. Obviously, this would cause more people to try to get this rank. Initially, this would cause a few active people in the community to leave the server for almost a year to try to get this rank. When they come back, they would find that the server has changed a LOT (Like i mentioned up there), and they probably wouldn't have a clue what the hay is going on. Because of this, they'd realize they're mistake and most likely end up quitting the server. (Just a prediction :3)
   
   
2. Many vtns coming back to the server might not like that they got this rank. Although it has the same powers and commands as a normal vtn, they could be looked down upon by many other people as "People who quit the server after reaching a higher rank". Which.. is basically what they are.. however, they shouldn't get downgraded due to this.

These are just a few of my thoughts

Just wanna clear some things up, if there was a Retired rank all current ex vtns and ex mods would be put in it so it would not be a very rare rank, Vtn would however be 'rare' as everyong who is currently a vtn would have to go through the votes along with the new players upcoming vtn players

For the other point how I see this thread is "should we demote the in-active vtns" or that could be taken as "should loyalty and activity on the server be a requirement for Vtn"
How I see it is if that became a requirement and I left the server for a bit and then came back I would understand being put in the retired rank, as I was no longer loyal or active on the server. There should be no dis-respect to people in this rank as at the end of the day they will be in one of the top ranks and should still have the respect of the other players for the work they put in the server in the past.

Like you say, vtn who leave for a while and then come back would not know what the hey is going on or know about the new changes to the game, thats why they should get a Retired rank not keep their Vtn rank as they will not be able to fully answer questions about new changes to the server, once they are active again, up to date, and they know who's who in the community then they should by all means be able to get their old rank back.

[iExspee]

I think it's a really good idea. People that are no longer playing on the server, or have been inactive for a long time should be demoted.

I believe the entirety of the veteran rank system needs to be revamped and improved. I know we keep the changing the requirements for veteran and what you REALLY need to get it, but I think it needs to be printed somewhere on the forums. It's also quite likely it will update quite frequently, so we need someone staying on top of the topic.